> Big question for the USA.

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 … 9

........................................................................

Uncle_Meat
#51 2001-09-12 17:46:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

DumbBias wrote:

You're right...this is one in a long series. Just happens that the victims are American this time. Let's remember also that people of all nationalities and ethnicities worked in these buildings. It wasn't so much an attack on the people of the US (though we are the ones who will suffer it) but rather on US economic and military organizations.

Where is the horror and the compassion when we hear about someone else's tragedy caused by an errant cruise missile, a bomb we dropped or some other nonsense? Two days ago, a well fed troll couldn't get a 1/2 reply on the continued allied bombings in Iraq, the world poverty ruled over by our economic system or the endless suffering of the Palestinians. There are many a warzone and many a tragedy effected and enacted by these organizations.

Simply...violence begets violence. I'm sure those who did this horrible thing were reacting violently to a perceived wrong by the US. Should we do the same?

I'm not saying we should totally turn the other cheek, but as a world leader and a great nation we can make progress out of this, not fall into the trap of further animosity, violence and terror.

Then again we could just "fry em" which apparently appeals to the WWF/Segal/Moron set.

We Americans are a very simple people. We work hard. We raise families. We help our friends and neighbors in a time of need. But fuq with us, we bomb your cities.

........................................................................

Raymonds Noodle
#52 2001-09-12 17:47:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Cat Anita wrote:

(context: I'm Australian)

I don't think the USA should retaliate. I think the rest of the World should.

The USA has done more for world peace than any other country. And this is what it's got you.

GTP said in Hellchat that this attack was like shooting a cop. It is.

The United States will find it has an enormous amount of support in tracking down those responsible and ensuring it never happens again. We don't like people fuqing with our mates.

Very true. Very well stated.

........................................................................

KILL AN ARAB, WIN A PRIZE
#53 2001-09-12 17:47:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Raymonds Noodle wrote:

Could the europeans please step off the PC podiums for a moment.

This is no time to apologize for who we are. There is a time and place for everything, but this my friend is not a time for silence.

There is a reason we kicked their ass over 200 years ago. I'm suddenly being reminded why we did it.

........................................................................

Unleash_Hell
#54 2001-09-12 17:49:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

This, comin' from an American?
I'm impressed.

pelican_in_flight wrote:


We don't care how many die. It ain't our problem.

........................................................................

UncleShyt
#55 2001-09-12 17:56:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Uncle_Meat wrote:

We Americans are a very simple people. We work hard. We raise families. We help our friends and neighbors in a time of need. But fuq with us, we bomb your cities.

We and most other people around the world. That's just the thing...why do you think we are so different. We aren't.

Ask a Vietnam Vet or a Red Cross worker in Sierra Leone who's tough. He probably won't say "Americans who drink Sam Adams, eat like pigs and post on FC".

........................................................................

Uncle_Meat
#56 2001-09-12 06:05:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

UncleShyt wrote:

We and most other people around the world. That's just the thing...why do you think we are so different. We aren't.

Ask a Vietnam Vet or a Red Cross worker in Sierra Leone who's tough. He probably won't say "Americans who drink Sam Adams, eat like pigs and post on FC".

We are different in as much as that when someone kills our people, we have the balls to do something about it. But don't worry. Your wine, cheese and 35 hour work week wont be affected. Just hang out your old white flag in advance.

........................................................................

gknow
#57 2001-09-12 06:14:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

it's true that there isn't really anyone to bomb. if a *country* did this, we'd kick there ass, no question. but if they're gonna be sneaky fuqs, i'm *certain* we can be sneakier fuqs. beat them at their own game. well, except perhaps the killing clueless civilians game, i'm pretty sure they won that one.

........................................................................

ridsel
#58 2001-09-12 06:40:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

I'm not from the US or Europe, so perhaps I can be impartial enough to summarise. Plus, we get both Euro and US media shyt here - so maybe understand both a little.

Here's the crappy deal, as I see it...

(1) KICK ASS:

Upside: Deters others.

Downside: Increases their (Arab?) anger too (misguided or not). Just as today made US moderates hardline, expect other people to react the same way. They'll be "Martyrs" to inspire the next wave of terrorists who aren't afraid to die for the cause.

(2) IGNORE, REBUILD, 'FORGIVE'

Upside: Well, it has worked before. Look what happens when you don't forgive - Balkans, etc. Just accept the hit and work at the root cause - why they're pissed off. Perhaps removing their motivation would work.

Downside: The perpetrators could do it again. They're obviously fuqing nuts.

SO:

Whatever happens, I hope it doesn't inflate. Whether it calms down due to the issues being resolved or by Western force subjegating the rest of the world, I just hope it does calm down.

Glad I'm in a Western country that's too small for terrorists to bother with (except the French in 1986 - they still owe us an apology - practice what you preach Euroboys).

Blah Blah

........................................................................

UncleShyt
#59 2001-09-12 07:16:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Uncle_Meat wrote:

We are different in as much as that when someone kills our people, we have the balls to do something about it. But don't worry. Your wine, cheese and 35 hour work week wont be affected. Just hang out your old white flag in advance.

We also tend to kill people over oil, capital investment and all types of shyt you don't want to let into your little black and white world. Shythead.

When are you going to figure out I'm not European, just an American with a BS detector with the squelch set low.

........................................................................

Another European
#60 2001-09-12 10:39:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Why can't you understand that this is PAYBACK to your country !?!?!
This is payback for what's been started in 1945 in Hirosima, then continued in Korea, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Iraq etc.
This is payback for support of bloody regime in Chile, for 100% financing of Izrael military force, which loves to fix the riots with tanks etc. etc. etc.
Read history - sucide bombings and terrorism acts in Palestina started AFTER Izrael was formed as country and arranged its agressive and evil military forces.
US is not "biggest peace supporter in the world", it's just a jandarme !
Ok - go ahead and nuke 'em; nuke everyone you will suspect. Now 50% of the world hates you, then 99% will hate you.
What's been happened is not political act, this is crime. This crime should be punished, but be careful not to act with anger, or the bombings will be continued on your territory, and more paybacks will follow.
You will seal air, but bombs will be delivered by sea, underground, space or any other mean.
Do not say I hate America, I just want to warn you that you should definitely review your position in the world, or third world war will destroy your country.
BTW my good friend used to work as sys admin in Morgan Stanley, I can't find him anywhere, all his phones are not responding, and I expect the worst...

........................................................................

Ryan
#61 2001-09-12 10:41:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

SadEuropean wrote:



If today American takes a brave step and tries to forgive those who've done this heinous crime it will survice and eventually prosper again.

That would not be brave, that would be stupid.

........................................................................

PrototypeStan
#62 2001-09-12 10:48:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

It's kinda like someone coming to your house take your milk carton, and drinking it while he has your fist, then using that to punch you..again and again, and again

http://www.stanreport.com

........................................................................

ukjim
#63 2001-09-12 10:51:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

I would support the American position on retaliation...

Maybe the UK should join in half way through the US's war and then claim that we won it for the US for the next 50 years and make lots of movies retelling historical events with Brits in it instead of Yanks

The US has a fundemental right to retaliate against who ever perpertrated this evil act.

........................................................................

uktoo
#64 2001-09-12 10:55:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

ukjim wrote:

I would support the American position on retaliation...

Maybe the UK should join in half way through the US's war and then claim that we won it for the US for the next 50 years and make lots of movies retelling historical events with Brits in it instead of Yanks

The US has a fundemental right to retaliate against who ever perpertrated this evil act.

your comments regarding ww2 are incredibly insensitive - I dont understand how you can say that

........................................................................

SiliconeDolly
#65 2001-09-12 10:58:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Uncle_Meat wrote:

It's this European attitude that resulted in the deaths of 6 million Jews. Don't you fuqers ever learn?

[This message has been edited by Uncle_Meat (edited 09-12-2001).]

WTF!!
America was on it's way to complete isolationism.. And would NOT be where it is today if it hadn't been forced to take part in WW2! So do not say shyt like that!

........................................................................

PolderVoice
#66 2001-09-12 11:06:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

MovieWhore wrote:

Have we really come to this? Is it time to apologize for being who we are? Are there nations out there who rise head and shoulders above the United States of America, morally or otherwise?

I thought not.

This is the most fuqed up thing I have seen posted here yet.

But then, you're an american.

........................................................................

SomeDutchGuy
#67 2001-09-12 11:07:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

I just want to say this.

As the _NATO_ planes take off to pummel the shyt out of whoever attacked our sovereign territory, I would like the original posted and all other so-called 'europeans' to be strapped to the Mk83s so they can 'forgive' the perpetrators when falling towards their cities.

........................................................................

ukjim
#68 2001-09-12 11:10:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

uktoo wrote:

your comments regarding ww2 are incredibly insensitive - I dont understand how you can say that

Maybe I am sick of hollywood historical revisionism...

........................................................................

Staunch Gronk
#69 2001-09-12 11:11:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

SomeDutchGuy wrote:

I just want to say this.

As the _NATO_ planes take off to pummel the shyt out of whoever attacked our sovereign territory, I would like the original posted and all other so-called 'europeans' to be strapped to the Mk83s so they can 'forgive' the perpetrators when falling towards their cities.

Holland is european too....

and I don't forgive, that shyts for christians.

........................................................................

PolderVoice
#70 2001-09-12 11:12:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

ukjim wrote:

I would support the American position on retaliation...

Maybe the UK should join in half way through the US's war and then claim that we won it for the US for the next 50 years and make lots of movies retelling historical events with Brits in it instead of Yanks

The US has a fundemental right to retaliate against who ever perpertrated this evil act.

The question is not wether america has the right. There's no discussion about that, ofcourse they have that right.
The question is wether the method that is being chosen will serve the purpose.
It's frightening that the same people who talk about the moral superiority of the US beg for retaliation in a form that will end this moral superiority. Bombing Afghanistan, Saudi Arabie, nuking nation A and wiping out people B, will not help anyone, except those who organized this crime.

........................................................................

SomeDutchGuy
#71 2001-09-12 11:13:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Staunch Gronk wrote:

Holland is european too....

and I don't forgive, that shyts for christians.

So? Does that mean I have to agree with those fuqers?

........................................................................

Staunch Gronk
#72 2001-09-12 11:16:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

SomeDutchGuy wrote:

So? Does that mean I have to agree with those fuqers?

No you said all the euros on the board should be strapped to missles.

........................................................................

SomeDutchGuy
#73 2001-09-12 11:18:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Staunch Gronk wrote:

No you said all the euros on the board should be strapped to missles.

No. I said all euros who agreed with the original poster of this thread should be strapped to missiles.

........................................................................

No more hipocrites!
#74 2001-09-12 11:23:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

Although your intentions are correct, it's too late to consider them.

The US took the path of neverending war ever since WWII and this is a way of no return.

It's like choosing to ride a tiger: as soon as you drop, he'll eat you.

Sorry that we didn't choose just to let the tiger go, decades ago. Maybe we wouldn't be in this mess today...

SadEuropean wrote:

Lets agree that Osama Bin Laden did this and that this deserves quick and brutal revenge. Now what...

Who do we strike back at?

- Osama Bin Laden? OK lets kill him.

- Osama Bin Ladens 500 or so followers? OK lets do them.

Then what? Kabul is already rubble what else is there to destroy? They have no airport, twin-towers or pentagon. Theres minimal infrastructure.

Who do you destroy then?

You end up destroying yourselves.

If today American takes a brave step and tries to forgive those who've done this heinous crime it will survice and eventually prosper again.

If it cant do this and goes for revenge it will plant the seeds for its future self-destruction because that is one lust that will never be asuaged in this instance.

This is the biggest question facing the USA now - not who did this.

........................................................................

Staunch Gronk
#75 2001-09-12 11:24:00

Re: Big question for the USA.

SomeDutchGuy wrote:

No. I said all euros who agreed with the original poster of this thread should be strapped to missiles.

oh. well wouldn't it make more sense to use them as cannon fodder on the front line?

........................................................................

Pages: 1 2 3 4 5 … 9